01 July 2011 @ 10:51 pm
Torchwood and Doctor Who thinkiness  
I saw over on [livejournal.com profile] doctorwho somebody discussing the nuwho series 2 episode Fear Her, and it got me thinking.

Fear Her which is set the day before and on the opening day of the 2012 olympics in London, when a load of people all vanish from the stadium, the sports commentator says "Somebody should call Torchwood."

So the Who 'verse Torchwood is still up and running and apparently known to sports commentators in 2012. Something with doesn't seem terribly likely the whole 'Torchwood as an organisation is no more' direction of the show.

So the question is did Who 'verse Torchwood diverge from Torchwood 'verse Torchwood after Stolen Earth/Journeys End?

We know what happened in Torchwood 'verse Torchwood, but in Who 'verse Torchwood maybe Torchwood had to go public, even they couldn't cover up the Earth being moved and then moved back to the whole world.

So people now know about them, kind of like how in real life people have heard of MI5, but beyond watching Spooks and James Bond films they haven't got any real knowledge of just what it is they do.

I suppose it boils down to: In Doctor Who Torchwood is known, and is still up and running in 2012, but in Torchwood it is all but destroyed in 2009/10. Both situations can't simultaneously be true in the same 'verse, so they must be now be in different ones.

What does anybody else think?
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ext_105653[identity profile] angstosaur.livejournal.com on July 1st, 2011 10:07 pm (UTC)
personally I'd like to think the Torchwood in the Who-verse is the one where Tosh, Owen and Ianto are still around and that any other version exists in a parallel universe ... after all the parallel universe that Micky went to live in, with Rose, also had a Torchwood ... therefore the Torchwood that went tits up in COE is on another plane, of which I want nothing to do with ...
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[identity profile] the-silver-sun.livejournal.com on July 1st, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
I much prefered a Torchwood with all the team in it too, there are so many more stories with them in it, plus it was so much more fun when they were all around. The only CoE stuff that I write is fix-its because, well it needed fixing.

Currently working giant fix-it of doom to follow on from Secrets and Hope. Secrets partially fixed CoE, the sequel will fix Reset and Exit Wounds with the dubious help and twisty timey machinations of Bilis Manger getting in on the act for good measure.

I think with Torchwood the whole 'in an infinite number of worlds there are an infinite number of posibilities' kind of covers it. So if there's a possibility something happened differently somewhere there is going to be a parallel universe where it did. So we can pick which one we want, because well we can.

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[identity profile] fiwen1010.livejournal.com on July 1st, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
That is... very very interesting. We've also got the pyramid referred to in Weakest Link on the Game Station being built on the ruins of the Torchwood Institute. It gives them some wriggle room to spring back to classic Torchwood, if they so wish, apart from anything else.
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[identity profile] the-silver-sun.livejournal.com on July 1st, 2011 10:50 pm (UTC)
Torchwood was the running theme through series 2, like Bad Wolf was in S1. There were probably more references to it in S2 than just Fear Her/Impossible Planet/Satan Pit (they said they were collecting data for the Torchwood Archive - and that was centuries in the future) and the final two episodes where it was revealled what it was. (Although now I've written it down that is 5 out of 13 episodes, so there might not have been many more.)

I wonder if somebody has made a list of when/how it was referenced?
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[identity profile] fiwen1010.livejournal.com on July 1st, 2011 10:57 pm (UTC)
It's in the Christmas episode as well, and Tooth and Claw of course. Someone must have done a list, but it's probably buried somewhere on LJ.
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[identity profile] hab318princess.livejournal.com on July 2nd, 2011 07:22 am (UTC)
well, Miracle Day seems to bring TW back after a fashion in 2011 (plus, the Universe was rewritten when the crack closed in S5 of DW - where there suddenly was a time strain without stars and Amy didn't remember Daleks etd)... so there are options galore to explain that....

the real question is what are the odds of David Tennant REALLY lighting the Olympic Flame for real?
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